Anti-immigrant wave spreads across Europe

This article tries to paint anyone who is conservative and anti-immigration (especially Muslim) as scared,  xenophobic racists. Me – I just think that governments don’t “get it”. For years we have had the multi-cultural hell forced on us in every western country. We have had to work and pay taxes to support economic refugees. We have had to put up with economic hardships and raised taxes. We have had to have less children because we can’t afford to raise more, whilst our immigrant populations keep popping them out. We have had to be “tolerant” to all their cultural practises; and be tolerant to intolerant groups and religions. We have had to hang our heads in shame at being white and tolerate being called racists anytime we speak out about our worries and about uncontrolled immigration. We have had to accept the rise in crime against us. We have had to accept the lowering of our education standards to accommodate them. We have had to change who we are so that they can remain the same. And then you still have these idiots calling us scared and xenophobic/racists. I don’t think so! It’s called self preservation and it’s about time we stood up for ourselves and started looking after our people instead of letting these loony left-wing nut jobs dictate to us and impose their tosser policies on us. We the people! It’s no wonder more and more centre-right political parties are sprouting…Maybe governments should listen and learn instead of ignoring and paying the consequence!

Few people outside of Germany paid much attention when a little-known Berlin politician named Rene Stadtkewitz convened a news conference last week and announced the formation of a new “Freedom” party.

But in the German capital, the founding of a movement modelled on the anti-immigrant party of Dutch populist Geert Wilders was a small political earthquake, whose tremors resonated in Chancellor Angela Merkel’s office across town.

“Right now we are focussed on building up this new party in Berlin, but if we have success here, I certainly can’t rule out extending it nationwide,” Stadtkewitz, who was kicked out of Merkel’s Christian Democrats (CDU) for his views, told Reuters.

The 45-year-old from the east Berlin district of Pankow, who wants headscarves banned, mosques shuttered and state welfare payments to Muslims cut, is the newest face of a powerful anti-immigrant strain in European politics that is winning over voters and throwing mainstream politicians onto the defensive.

Parties with xenophobic-tinged programmes are not new in Europe. The National Front of Jean-Marie Le Pen has been a force in France for years, as has the Northern League, which is part of Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi’s ruling coalition in Italy.

But experts say public concerns about immigration have grown in the wake of the economic crisis and politicians across Europe are scrambling like never before to exploit these fears, breaking unwritten post-war taboos along the way.

“What we are witnessing is not a new trend, but a deepening and acceleration of something that was in place,” said Dominique Moisi of the French Institute for International Relations (Ifri) in Paris. “These politicians are playing with fire, because feelings on this issue run very deep and may not disappear when the economy recovers.”

THE END OF TOLERANCE
Wilders, who wants to ban the Koran and expel Muslims who commit crimes, has emerged in the span of a few months as arguably the most powerful politician in the Netherlands.

After an inconclusive June election, centre-right parties are relying on Wilders to form a minority government that could give him major sway over policy. If this coalition fails to come together and a new election is held, polls show his Freedom Party (PVV) would be the top vote getter.

In France, President Nicolas Sarkozy has taken pre-emptive action to prevent similar gains for the far-right National Front, announcing a crackdown on Roma people and criminals of foreign origin that has earned him rebukes from a United Nations human rights body and the European Parliament.

In Italy, which received the most immigrants of any EU country last year, Umberto Bossi’s Northern League has wielded huge influence over domestic policy, pushing through tough laws that allow authorities to fine and imprison illegal immigrants, and even punish people who provide them with shelter.

Heather Grabbe, director of the Open Society Institute in Brussels, says more European politicians are realising that by focussing on immigration, they can tap into voter fears about a range of issues — from the economy and jobs, to globalisation, change and an increasingly uncertain future.

“People in Europe have grown comfortable in the decades since World War Two and now they see that level of comfort threatened,” Grabbe said. “The result is that tolerance is no longer held dear as a European value, even in countries that used to be proud of being open and liberal.”

UPSETTING THE SYSTEM
One such country is Sweden, where an anti-immigrant party looks poised to vault the four percent hurdle in a September 19 election and enter parliament for the first time.

Inspired by the Danish People’s Party, the Sweden Democrats have shed their skinhead image in favour of smart suits and a carefully calibrated message that emphasises support for Israel and women’s rights alongside what party leader Jimmie Akesson describes as a “common sense” aversion to Muslim immigration.

If the party does make it into parliament, it could deprive centre-right Prime Minister Fredrik Reinfeldt of a majority and force him to consider working with a party he has described as “right-wing, xenophobic and populist”.

In Germany, where the collective memory of the Nazis has limited the influence of far-right parties, the emergence of a new anti-immigrant force could have even more serious implications for the political system.

The rise of the new Left party and Greens in recent decades means that six parties now sit in the federal parliament in Berlin, a splintering that has severely complicated the formation of stable coalitions at the federal level.

Were a seventh party, led by Stadtkewitz or a more high-profile anti-immigrant crusader, to make it above the five percent threshold and enter the Bundestag it would shake Germany’s political landscape to the core.

“The danger is there,” said Manfred Guellner, head of the Forsa polling group, pointing to the strong public support for disgraced Bundesbanker Thilo Sarrazin’s disparaging criticisms of Muslim immigrants in a recent book which warned of the demise of traditional German society.

“There is a loss of trust in the established parties, a sort of vacuum, that a charismatic person similar to (former Austrian far-right leader Joerg) Haider could fill.”

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Posted on 15 September 2010, in Uncategorized. Bookmark the permalink. 25 Comments.

  1. All over the world, the ruling classes , their socialism, and their cultural genocide are being rejected. Fear of being called names like ‘racist’ or ‘xenophobe’ are evaporating. Now the ruling classes are fearful, and their mainstream propaganda machine is grinding itself to pieces. Socialism is collapsing worldwide, and with it, multiculturalism.

  2. The insanity of multiculturalism is over.
    see Yuri Bezmenov vidio on subversion

  3. What is ahpening in these countries that they are finding the the explosion of the population of folks from other countries are taking over their country and they are now afraid of losing their place in the world. It makes sense that if the muslims population take over a small area and votes muslims into office it would be like giving them and inch and then they can work on getting the mile and soon the country is the same as any islamic nation. It is happening in America also.

  4. Yes, people all over the world are fed up with elites, social engineering societies and economies!

    Immigrants left a country they were raised in, they should remain there and fight for reform from their own governments.

    The Western countries cannot and should not be forced to take care of the whole world’s people.

    There are many rich in many countries, it’s time they stand up and help their own!

  5. There are plenty of people who have no problem with other groups; it's just that most of us are not as vocal as you lot. Why would we be vocal about NOT having a problem with something? So of course it's going to be the racists who make the loudest noise, since you are the ones complaining. It hardly means the silent people agree with you.

    Once in a while, though, you'll get someone like me who is sick of racists claiming to speak for ordinary people, and calling you out on it. You DO NOT speak for us. The more you claim to speak for us, the more people like me will be coming out to refute you.

    “Tolerance” is something you do, not us. To “tolerate” something implies you dislike it. We do not dislike immigrants in the first place! Therefore we have never needed to “tolerate” them.

  6. @Anon 10:23 – That's great that you don't have a problem with living with other groups. Good for you. Yet again people like you impose your beliefs on us. We are also ordinary people and have the right to NOT want to live with other groups yet we're forced to. When we voice this then you term us racists. Really tolerant of you. And BTW – if everyone felt like you then there wouldn't be a swing to the right and against immigration. You obviously live in your own little world if you think there's no one else who feels like “us”.

  7. The problem with your argument is that you are the one trying to impose where other people can and cannot live. Say someone buys the house next to yours and moves in, and you dislike the guy. Yes, you have a right to not live next door to a neighbour whom you dislike. The way for you to exercise that right is by YOU moving out, not by telling the neighbour to move out.

    Think about it in reverse. If you move in next door to someone who dislikes you, can he tell you to move out? Or should he move out if he doesn't like being around you?

    What convinces me that you are racist is that you are for immigration when the immigrants are white, but against it when the immigrants are non-white.

    The swing towards the right is caused by the economy. Ordinary people who have jumped on the right-wing bandwagon in response to the economic collapse are different from those (such as Geert Wilders) who were virtually PRAYING for the economy to collapse so that they can push their racist (and especially Islamophobic) propaganda.

  8. @Anon – you sure have a skewed view of immigration. Immigration means foreign people coming into someone elses country. It's not the same as a neighbour living next door. The problem with current world-wide western immigration is that these governments are accepting people who do not assimilate easily into their country and communities. These communities are not happy to have people without the same values and morals living amongst them. I'm glad you are happy with the status quo. I know a lot of former liberals who felt that way a few short years ago and are now very disillusioned and are singing a different tune. I myself am an immigrant into Australia. However, we have assimilated. My kids have settled in and are part of the community. I work and contribute to the economy with my taxes. We stay out of trouble. When in Rome…
    Other cultures do not. I did not come to Australia to live off their welfare and goodwill. I came here to give my kids a better life – like millions others. The swing to the right is because people are so tired of being labeled racist and xenophobic – it doesn't have the guilty impact like years ago. They are sick and tired of working tirelessly and then see their taxes going to support people who have no respect for their new host country. If people don't speak up against this they have no right to complain later. We are sick of big government overstepping their scope by invading our lives by imposing their liberal ideals on us. And yes, I would prefer white immigrants as they tend to have the same moral and ethic outlook that I do. I don't see you championing immigration into China or India or Palestine. Why is that? Why does everyone want to live in the white man's world? If this makes me racist then I'm proudly so as someone has to stand up for our race as many whites are embarrassed and guilty to be white.

  9. “I myself am an immigrant into Australia. However, we have assimilated. My kids have settled in and are part of the community. I work and contribute to the economy with my taxes. We stay out of trouble.”

    So would you have a problem with other immigrants who settle and contribute to the economy and stay out of trouble, but just happen to be non-white?

    “They are sick and tired of working tirelessly and then see their taxes going to support people who have no respect for their new host country.”

    Are you saying you would you be OK with your taxes supporting white people who don't contribute, but not OK with supporting non-white people who don't contribute? If so, why? And if not, then why not just complain about the welfare policy?

    “I don't see you championing immigration into China or India or Palestine. Why is that?”

    I am not morally against immigration into any country. Just because a country isn't a currently popular immigrant destination doesn't make it my fault! Supply follows demand; immigrants will go wherever immigration is needed.

    “Why does everyone want to live in the white man's world?”

    Actually, the countries with the highest % of immigrants are Middle Eastern countries (e.g. Qatar (75%), United Arab Emirates (71%), Kuwait (62%), Bahrain (41%), Jordan (39%)). Australia, at 20%, doesn't even come close.

  10. @Anon – maybe you should read my response one more time and take the blinkers off the next time. I think I make it clear that immigrants that DON'T assimilate cause all the problems. I don't care what color you are as long as you take on the host countries values and assimilate. As for your stats – maybe you should do some more research and find out how many of those countries you list allow “immigrants” to become citizens? You should honestly answer why there is a huge backlash against immigration into the western countries. You'll find (once your blinkers have been removed) that it's because most of the “immigrants” being allowed into the country DON'T assimilate easily. You say you're not morally against immigration into any county and that supply follows demand. I think you'd find that is not true. A lot of people with skills are needed in for eg. Zimbabwe – where are the immigrants into that country when there is a demand? Australia doesn't need more “immigrants” so now they just hop onto boats to get to the mainland. Your reasoning in flawed but you won't admit why these types of immigrants choose western countries. Do you honestly think that if there wasn't a welfare cheque on the other side they'd still go to these countries? We know the truth because we see it daily. We hear why they want to come here. That's why the Labor Party nearly lost the last election – because they have lost the borders and are allowing anyone with a sob story in, to be supported by the tax payer.

    In any case, I have my views and you have yours. I am very happy that you have had a good experience with immigrants – it doesn't mean that all people feel the same way. I'm also glad you are prepared to pay taxes to support them – I'm not.

  11. “I don't care what color you are as long as you take on the host countries values and assimilate.”

    If you say so, I guess (though your usual tone on this blog leaves a rather different impression).

    “You should honestly answer why there is a huge backlash against immigration into the western countries.”

    Because of the economy, and because right-wing Zionist groups have been heavily spreading their propaganda. In any case, just because there is a backlash does not mean it is justified.

    “A lot of people with skills are needed in for eg. Zimbabwe – where are the immigrants into that country when there is a demand?”

    Need alone is not demand. Demand is need plus ability to remunerate, the latter which Zimbabwe lacks due to its worthless currency.

    “Do you honestly think that if there wasn't a welfare cheque on the other side they'd still go to these countries?”

    You talk as though none of the immigrants seek employment, which is completely false. If you are worried about your taxes being spent on welfare cheques, then I ask again: why not just complain about the welfare policy? Why bring immigrants into the issue?

  12. @Anon – I think I'm dealing with a moron here. My blog is about the hypocrisy of the world and the articles I post usually show up the double standards people have (especially liberals) – yes, even you have some, believe it or not. I have never claimed to be perfect and I freely admit that I'm biased towards my race – like every normal person is. If this wasn't the case then race wouldn't ever be an issue.

    As for the Zionist conspiracy – that explains a lot. So, the Jews scare you do they? It's now clear why you're for the Muslims and bash “Islamaphobes”. BTW – you are prejudiced just by using the word “Zionist”. Still don't think you've got double standards? Maybe you should examine your outlook – shock, you may find you're a tad hypocritical and probably suffer from the white-guilt complex.

    As for your defence of my Zimbabwe example – I quote from you:”immigrants will go wherever immigration is needed”. Now you conveniently add they also need remuneration. No kidding. My point is that there are many immigrants that DON'T immigrate because they want to work and make a better life. That is why there is a backlash. The current economic crisis may have brought the immigration debate to the fore but it has been simmering for years. Now that countries are being hit financially they all of a sudden are realising how much money is going to support these economic refugees. If you have followed my blog you would see that I've always been against the indiscriminate welfare system of western countries. This has caused a lot of grief by encouraging the wrong immigrant.

  13. “I freely admit that I'm biased towards my race – like every normal person is.”

    This is what I have a problem with: promoting racism by classifying it as 'normal'. Even if it were normal, it would still be unethical. People can't choose who they are born to, and they not be judged based on something which they did not choose. You didn't choose who you were born to, so how ridiculous is it to favour a group you didn't choose?

    “Zionist conspiracy”

    I never said anything about a conspiracy. The right-wing parties and media are OPENLY pro-Israel. Islamophobia is OPENLY used to generate public support for Israel.

    “I quote from you:”immigrants will go wherever immigration is needed”. Now you conveniently add they also need remuneration.”

    I admit I used the word “needed” loosely here. But my point stands: immigration is an economic phenomenon.

    “I've always been against the indiscriminate welfare system of western countries”

    Fine, then why have anything against immigration? Just call for a reform of the welfare system.

  14. @Anon – it's been proven that babies are biased towards people of their own race. Go do some research (actually, I've posted the article on my blog a while ago so you can do a search if you're so inclined).

    The left-wing parties and liberal media are OPENLY anti-Israel. So who's right?

    I've posted an article for your benefit today. I know you don't get my position, but if you do decide to read it maybe you can admit that people are allowed to feel the way they do without censor from liberals…Just like the liberals have had their time to mess the world up, the circle has turned and conservative values are back in business.

    http://ozziesaffa.blogspot.com/2010/09/left-under-siege-in-europe.html

  15. @Anon – why did you remove your last comment? I was just warming up and could've gone on for a while yet. In any case – we're at an impasse. You don't agree with my view and vice versa. Good luck, good bye and I hope you continue to enjoy your new immigrant brothers and sisters. You're welcome on my blog anytime – I promise not to delete any of your comments (only delete those that are offensive by the way).

  16. I didn't remove my last comment. I don't even know how to remove my comments. I thought you deleted it. Anyway, I'll try to reply again (if this comment disappears again I will assume you deleted it again):

    “it's been proven that babies are biased towards people of their own race”

    I've seen that study. It only shows that babies spend more time looking at one face than another (ie. intellectual curiosity, not moral bias). Also, what about the doll study that shows black kids more likely to pick the white doll?

    “The left-wing parties and liberal media are OPENLY anti-Israel. So who's right?”

    As a general rule, the side with least self-interest in the issue is considered more reliable in their assessment of the issue. Pro-Israel groups are pro-Israel because they think they themselves will benefit from this (e.g. by advocating imitation of Israeli policies towards Muslims in their own countries). Anti-Israel groups do not themselves benefit from being anti-Israel; their position is based purely on assessment of Israel's behaviour.

    “maybe you can admit that people are allowed to feel the way they do without censor from liberals”

    I have never said you should be censored. I would rather let you speak and rebut you, as long as you don't delete my comments.

  17. @Anon – nope – it wasn't me removing your comment. I figured out that the blog decided your comment was spam and quarantined it so I've over-riden the system and published it.

    I read a recent study where they put different moral scenarios to people from different political backgrounds – conservatives vs liberals. They started off by asking if it would be ok to let someone die to save someone else. The general consensus was no. Then they added a few different scenarios. One of the scenarios was to throw a fat guy off a bridge, which would then stop a train that was hurtling towards a group of children. Would you push him over to stop the train or would you just let the train hit the kids? Then they drilled down and added race (white vs black) and nationality (USA or Iraqi). Know what the outcome was? Conservatives mostly showed that if the guy was black and/or Iraqi they would let him jump; the liberals showed that if he was white and American they would let him jump. This just goes to show me that there really is no common ground here. I'm a conservative and you are a liberal where you would rather save an immigrant than one of your own.

    So, I'm afraid we will have to agree to disagree. I honestly don't give a rats ass what you believe in. The issue I have is that the liberals get into power and then impose their ideas on the more conservative community and we're expected to accept it without protest. The right swing in Europe – as an example – is the result of people having reached their breaking point where immigrant numbers have made them uncomfortable – so much so that they fear losing their own cultural identity to third world and Muslim populations. Immigrants that drain a country instead of adding to it should not be accepted into a country. They should earn the honor. If not, then they can rather stay in their own god-forsaken countries where they can improve their lot themselves and live their barbaric ways to their hearts content. And please don't tell me that there is nothing for them in these countries and that's why they want to leave. If that was true they would be grateful for their new life and show it by fitting in. Just how many of these immigrants is enough to make you happy? 10 thousand? 20 million? Uncapped?

    Give a finger and they take the hand.

  18. “This just goes to show me that there really is no common ground here. I'm a conservative and you are a liberal where you would rather save an immigrant than one of your own.”

    There may be no common ground, but not in the way you describe. I am against oppressors, regardless of race. So yes, between Americans and Iraqis, I'd save Iraqis. But between Israelis and Americans, I'd save Americans. I look at the group's BEHAVIOUR, not their identity in relation to myself.

    I would like to ask you, though, if it were between Israelis and Iraqis (neither of which I assume you consider “your own”), who would you save? If in this case (with self-interest taken out of the equation) you would save Iraqis, then there may be some common ground between us yet.

    “So, I'm afraid we will have to agree to disagree.”

    Fine. I'm not necessarily trying to convince you, I'm just here to represent the other side of the argument.

    “The issue I have is that the liberals get into power and then impose their ideas on the more conservative community and we're expected to accept it without protest.”

    I would argue that it is conservatives in power who impose their ideas on the more liberal community, disregarding liberal protest. Look at the veil ban in France. Liberals do not demand that everyone wear a veil, only that those who wish to wear a veil should be allowed to. Conservatives, on the other hand, prohibit EVERYONE from wearing a veil. Who is being imposing here?

    “Immigrants that drain a country instead of adding to it should not be accepted into a country.”

    Again I ask: why not just oppose welfare?

  19. So, you are against oppressors but support Muslims. Are you kidding me? Do you know how ridiculous you sound? Muslims ARE the biggest oppressors and especially of their woman folk. They peddle their ideology as a religion and have you liberals all frothy at the mouth in support of them. Do you think that if you were gay they’d give you a free pass because you felt their pain? They use fools like you to hide behind and do their dirty work for them. When you look again you’ll be in the minority and having to live under their rules – in your own country. But, hey, at least you’ll feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

    And before you think I’m all for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan – I am totally against it. I don’t see why western countries are sticking their nose and their armies in these hell holes and allow their good men and women to die for these barbarians. Leave them to kill themselves. The different Muslim sects in places like Pakistan and Iraq can’t even live together without blowing each other up. And by the way, just who are the oppressors in that instance? The majority of the Iranian people are against their loony leader – where are you standing up for their rights? Oh, I forget, it’s not a western oppressive country so you don’t really care. You only get all agitated when it’s those nasty racist white governments.

    And there is no question – I would save an Israeli before any Muslim. Israel has been marginalized by people like you and the Muslim world. You have decided that they aren’t entitled to live. The only thing you’ll accept is the total annihilation of their country and people – the few million of them gets you all riled up but you tolerate the billion plus Muslims?? Yeah – a real fair fight.

    As for France and the “veil” – correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the majority of French citizens support the ban? Just like western females may not wear short pants and tank tops in their Muslim countries, so too should they not be allowed to wear their barbaric dress in a western country. Surely you can not rationalize this in any other way – or are you one of those that believe rules only need apply to certain situations? Yet, we allow them to build their places of worship and impose their backward laws in our countries without us being able to do the same in theirs.

    And I’m not sure how I can make it any clearer to you – I do not support welfare schemes. I am totally against free handouts. Welfare is a socialist ideology meant to control. It leads to a sense of entitlement and dumbs down the population as they’re not expected to resolve their own problems. I asked you a few comments back why no one is bashing down the door to immigrate to India or China etc. The reason is that there aren’t any entitlements at the other end and those governments don’t tolerate trouble making races or religions. Western countries don’t impose the same standards and hence we sit with the mass immigration problem and the diluting down of cultures to make people like you happy.

  20. With refernce to anon's comment, “I look at the group's BEHAVIOUR, not their identity in relation to myself.”

    How would you look at Iraqi or Israeli identity in relation to yourself?

  21. “Muslims ARE the biggest oppressors”

    I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion, but it (along with the accompanying description of Muslims) sure sounds like it came from Geert Wilders and his friends. Please remember that people like Wilders are trying to win elections; their take on Islam is fearmongering to serve their (Zionist) agenda. I suggest you study other sources. Here are a few quotes to start you off:

    “But Islam has a still further service to render to the cause of humanity. It stands after all nearer to the real East than Europe does, and it possesses a magnificent tradition of inter-racial understanding and cooperation. No other society has such a record of success uniting in an equality of status, of opportunity, and of endeavours so many and so various races of mankind… Islam has still the power to reconcile apparently irreconcilable elements of race and tradition. If ever the opposition of the great societies of East and West is to be replaced by cooperation, the mediation of Islam is an indispensable condition. In its hands lies very largely the solution of the problem with which Europe is faced in its relation with East. If they unite, the hope of a peaceful issue is immeasurably enhanced. But if Europe, by rejecting the cooperation of Islam, throws it into the arms of its rivals, the issue can only be disastrous for both.”
    H. A. R. Gibb

    “The extinction of race consciousness as between Muslims is one of the outstanding achievements of Islam, and in the contemporary world there is, as it happens, a crying need for the propagation of this Islamic virtue.”
    A. J. Toynbee

    “I have always held the religion of Muhammad in high estimation because of its wonderful vitality. It is the only religion which appears to me to possess that assimilating capacity to the changing phase of existence which can make itself appeal to every age. I have studied him – the wonderful man and in my opinion far from being an anti-Christ, he must be called the Saviour of Humanity. I believe that if a man like him were to assume the dictatorship of the modern world, he would succeed in solving its problems in a way that would bring it the much needed peace and happiness: I have prophesied about the faith of Muhammad that it would be acceptable to the Europe of tomorrow as it is beginning to be acceptable to the Europe of today.”
    George Bernard Shaw

    “The majority of the Iranian people are against their loony leader – where are you standing up for their rights?”

    Sorry, I know a guy who just came back from a holiday in Iran; he said Iranians love their leader. I'll take his word over that of the Zionist media, which everyone knows is trying to start a war with Iran.

    “I would save an Israeli before any Muslim.”

    OK, I admit we have no common ground.

    “Israel has been marginalized by people like you and the Muslim world.”

    You have to wonder why. Maybe you should ask the Palestinians.

    “As for France and the “veil” – correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the majority of French citizens support the ban?”

    This is my point. When the majority gets to decide what EVERYONE is allowed to wear, the majority is being imposing.

    “And I’m not sure how I can make it any clearer to you – I do not support welfare schemes.”

    Right, then why oppose immigration? Just oppose welfare, and let the immigrants decide for themselves where to go.

    @FishEagle

    “How would you look at Iraqi or Israeli identity in relation to yourself?”

    If I think “Do I personally benefit from supporting Israel/Iraq?”, then I would be looking at Israeli/Iraqi identity in relation to myself. (I am against this.)

  22. Anon, I've been to the Oman and the United Arab Emirates, which are pretty moderate Muslim countries. My experience does not agree with the descriptions about Islam that you quoted. But then again, maybe that's because I'm a woman and I was just dealing with the every day person in the street. Clearly no amount of logical debate is going to settle the matter but I suggest that you go and get some experience before you buy into something heart and soul.

    I agree that you wouldn't benefit from supporting Israel or Iraq. I believe that I would benefit from supporting Israel though, which is what I'm doing.

    Lime Lite, I explained that it is just a waste of time trying to use logical arguments to try to 'educate' people like anon, who appears to suffer from a psychological disorder and white guilt, here:

    http://thinkingmansguidetotheworld.blogspot.com/2010/09/funny-thing-happened-on-way-to-mosque.html

    You must read it (to the end)! I hate seeing people like you getting terribly frustrated with the anon's of this world, when you can actually do something to protect yourself from such insanity. Then again, if that's your choice, it's a different matter.

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  24. Just to add onto my last comment and the thread about white guilt/environmental awareness on Tim's blog, no other race or culture has the means to address the extent of the environmental crisis we find ourselves in, other than perhaps the Jews. We have been destroying our chances of survival systematically as we diluted our own culture.

    The West is still waiting for the African/Arab intelligence gene to kick in, after the impacts of colonialism 'destroyed' it, and they are pushing that agenda harder than ever with aid, multiculturalism, etc. (Sorry Anon, I don't buy the con that you don't want to benefit from supporting Israel or Iraq. The benefit to higher standards of living is a lower birth rate.) Sorry to say, but they're going to be waiting till all that is left is the last human on earth (probably not a whitey, though.) All the scientific evidence points to the fact that intelligence is a genetic trait and not a social construct. All our experience shows us that no amount of aid or attempted integrations have done a thing to uplift developing races to anywhere near our standards of living as whites.

    It's going to get very ugly, soon. Time is running out. The way I see it, the likes of anon is a dangerous enemy and I would not hesitate to do anything in my power to destroy. He threatens no only the white race, but humanity. Just go and spend some time studying our impacts on nature. Forget global warming for a change. Look at the small things, like how many fish species we've lost in the last few years, the extent of alien plant invasions, pollution to water sources, etc.

  25. @Anon- I give up – you are a doos. If you don't know what that means then go look it up.

    @FE – I have officially given up on Anon. I'm pretty sure he's a muslim or a white-guilt wannabe. I knew it was fruitless at the beginning when he defended Islam so I'm no longer bothering. I'm also a female and I don't put up with idiots. Acutally I didn't even read his last post after I saw the name Geert Wilders. That's enough for me to sign out of that conversation!

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